Curse

Rico Carridan · Oct 19, 2005, 03:42 AM // 03:42

Ok, let me just briefly set the stage. I'm playing my three week old warrior, just getting his armor infused for the first time. I get into a group, we have 4 monks, an ele, ranger, and two warriors, myself included. Looking at the numbers, I figure this should be no problem, considering the amount of healing power he have compared to the difficulty of the mission, although the mission might take a long time because we'll have less firepower than normal, but that's fine with me.

And during the mission, for the mostpart, I haven't had any problems with healing. However, I run into a lot of problems with conditions and hexes. The mursaat love to use enervating charge, the stone summit and white mantle drop various other conditions, the mursaat mesmers and necros use tons of hexes, and the azures use spiteful spirit. So when I pick up something serious, usually a spiteful or a weakness, I ctrl click to let them know that I need condition or hex removal. Nothing happens. Fine, they're busy: I keep fighting. Next battle, same thing. And again. And again. I ask them if they brought condition removal, and they don't even seem to understand what I'm talking about. I mean honestly, 4 monks, and not a SINGLE one thought to bring mend ailment. Or mend condition. Or purge conditions. Or martyr. Or remove hex. Or smite hex. Or holy veil. Or anything. How can you get to level 20 in this game as a monk and not realise that you should be bringing at least one of condition remove or hex remove EVERY mission? Haven't they noticed that every second mob uses them? That they are extremely crippling to the team? I mean, don't get me wrong, using orison of healing or healing seed at the appropriate time is important too, but there is more to being a monk than just healing.

Please, if you play a monk in PvE (especially anywhere from crystal desert on) or PvP (anywhere), controlling conditions and hexes are your jurisdiction. It's time to drop the healing breeze for mend ailment, and vigorous spirit for holy veil. Your team will thank you for it.

Rico

huh · Oct 19, 2005, 03:45 AM // 03:45

These monky tips will work for me as I've never played a monk before and just started one.
Don't plan to touch him for a while though.

But seriously, 4 monks?
Isn't that overkill? Or rather, overheal?

lg5000 · Oct 19, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53

by the sounds of things, that wasn't an over-heal... and the most annoying thing about Alesia is that she doesn't have any counters to being poisoned. As a primary healer, I take mend aliment with me every time, it comes in handy as a rather bad self-heal and I learned a long time ago that a team without poison/bleeding on them is less draining than myself.

Dunno about prot. monk though, last I remembered, I had a hex remover on that too.

UltimaXtreme · Oct 19, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04

its your fault not to ask the monks beforehand.

Fyre Brand · Oct 19, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Rico Carridan

And during the mission, for the mostpart, I haven't had any problems with healing. However, I run into a lot of problems with conditions and hexes. The mursaat love to use enervating charge, the stone summit and white mantle drop various other conditions, the mursaat mesmers and necros use tons of hexes, and the azures use spiteful spirit. So when I pick up something serious, usually a spiteful or a weakness, I ctrl click to let them know that I need condition or hex removal. Nothing happens. Fine, they're busy: I keep fighting. Next battle, same thing. And again. And again. I ask them if they brought condition removal, and they don't even seem to understand what I'm talking about. I mean honestly, 4 monks, and not a SINGLE one thought to bring mend ailment. Or mend condition. Or purge conditions. Or martyr. Or remove hex. Or smite hex. Or holy veil. Or anything. How can you get to level 20 in this game as a monk and not realise that you should be bringing at least one of condition remove or hex remove EVERY mission? Haven't they noticed that every second mob uses them? That they are extremely crippling to the team? I mean, don't get me wrong, using orison of healing or healing seed at the appropriate time is important too, but there is more to being a monk than just healing.

Please, if you play a monk in PvE (especially anywhere from crystal desert on) or PvP (anywhere), controlling conditions and hexes are your jurisdiction. It's time to drop the healing breeze for mend ailment, and vigorous spirit for holy veil. Your team will thank you for it.

Rico

There are a couple of things I would like to say because you're not taking some responsibility you should be.

You have a secondary class. I know for sure rangers, monks, and mesmers have condition/hex removal. Take some responsibility for your own health. That is not just the province of the monk class. Do this and a real monk and the team you play on will thank you for this.

It's the responsibility of primarily the group leader, and the also the whole party to talk about roles, especially at later points in the game. Didn't you think to ask a couple of the monks to build for smiting so you could be more effective damage dealers. Have one monk build for protection with healing backup and the healer build for heal and condition removal. The smiters could build for hex removal. The rest of the party should have some self-heal and ability to deal with conditions until the monk can get to you. Bottom line, the monks should have brought condition removal, and the party should have talked about it first to make sure no one let it slip by them.

I know you don't play a monk or you wouldn't have said something so ignorant as drop healing breeze for mend ailment. There is a time to remove a condition or hex and a time to add regen in some manner. In an environment where constant condition application is present you normally don't mend a condition, you apply regen. It's just better energy management, not to mention casting time spent on one individual. There are two types of condition removal one that heals for the number of conditions left and one that heals based on removal. Which one to bring? Not as simple as it sounds.

So discuss the mop list before you go out and the groups build role. Was everyone else a warrior? Were you going to try to group and use a seed strategy to maximize healing and energy management? Or were you just figuring the monks would magically keep everyone healed all the time with the same saavy as Lina and Mhenlo do with superhuman computer reflexes?

Sekkira · Oct 19, 2005, 04:17 AM // 04:17

rofl @ ultima

nohooiam · Oct 19, 2005, 04:22 AM // 04:22

the bigger problem is that in pve, there is no coherent organization of roles for the group and people end up taking assumed positions. add to the problem of the general lack of interest in teamwork in pve, you end up with a big mess once the mission starts.

and in regards to the topic question, most monks in pve are very confused as to getting a decent set up on skills and using them, with the exception of a few.

[email protected] · Oct 19, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

With 4 monks, one should have been creative enough to bring some condition and hex removal or atleast bring up the issue.

Navaros · Oct 19, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

4 monks? Entering a mission with 4 monks should have been your first clue that none of them knew what they were doing.

As for the "anymore" comment, it's not really that monks don't know how to play anymore. Rather, it's that they never did in the first place.

There is a grand misconception for some reason that all W/Mo's must be morons who can't play, and all monks must be super players who are experts.

Simple reality is that like players of any other class, most monks do not know how to play properly.

Start questioning your monks with the same thoroughness that you'd question any other class. Otherwise, problems with horrible monk players are to be expected.

Sister Rosette · Oct 19, 2005, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by Rico Carridan

I'm playing my three week old warrior

I got pissed right about here.

First off, if you're so worried about hexes and conditions, maybe you should
(zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomg!) BRING SOME REMOVAL OF YOUR
OWN. Don't pin a shortsighted choice on the people keeping your ass alive.

Oh wait, that's 99% of people in game. I almost forgot.

My god, you didn't have a smooth infusion run. Let's all go to the mountains
for you. Be thankful you only have to do the run one time nowadays, the last
one I ran on you had to go 1 run per piece of armor. Also, since when does
running to get infused entail tangling with the Mursaat? Sounds like an idiotic
meatpuppet decided to be a hero.

(GLARE)

Only one of the Azures on the mission has Spiteful Spirit, the rest are
monks who use Signet of Judgement. Do your homework next time.

In short, shit went wrong, people were stupid, and your first infusion run
didn't go well. Boo freaking hoo. Suck it up and try again.

Only a shit player blames everything on the monks.

Rico Carridan · Oct 19, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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